If you're a tourist visiting Denmark and you stop by the Queen's palace to watch her royal guard on parade, take note that one of them is an open, self-proclaimed Nazi.
Ekstrabladet reports :
The 19 year old neo-nazi Daniel Carlsen is on active duty with the Queen's personal guard until April 2010. A spokesperson for the Guard, Christine Dahl, says the Guard does not official share his values, but that they will remove him only if he constitutes a security risk for the Queen.Carlsen himself spoke to Ekstrabladet, and said that he feels he is the victim of personal harassment, and that several other members of the Guard share his views. When asked about the Holocaust he says "I don't deny the Holocaust. I can't after all deny something which I haven't seen evidence for". On his public Facebook profile Carlsen said, amongst other things,
- Adolf Hitler's "Mein Kampf" is his favorite book
- He had a broad music taste but doesn't like "nigger music".
- He advises against eating pizza because pizzerias are owned by "perkers" [ed: Danish slur, basically the N-bomb for Arabs]
And on aside, I haven't heard anything about the racist cop from Amager who used the "perker" word on her blog, so I'm assuming she hasn't been fired.
These two fine individuals are out there wearing the Danish uniform, representing authority and protecting the law. It's clear that they are completely morally incompetent to do so, but this gives you a good indication for how tolerant this society is towards open bigotry. Of course we can all guess that had Carlsen been named Ahmed, his Holocaust denial would have caused so much public outcry that not only would he have been fired, but probably harassed right out of the country. Don't come to Denmark folks - this racist crap is so routine it's starting to get boring.
100 comments:
Free speech is only for the privileged. Even as a "wanted" immigrant, ("highly skilled" I think they call us), your views are not welcome. You will be told to go home if you do not like it. You will be told nowhere is perfect. You will be told that you only have your views because YOU are intolerant and you just want to fit in with all the other bad foreigners.
Do NOT come to Denmark.
The cop has been convicted - and according to the media, she has been fired.
Carlsen is not convicted - so he can't be fired.
You can not fire people for having legal opinions. - And please note: I am not saying that Carlsen's statements are legal! Because it is not for me to say. And not for you either, Mr. Manky and Ms. Seasonticket. It is for the court to say.
Thank God! Otherwise I guess we would all fire each other ... Or worse: The stronger of us would put the weaker in jail.
So come to Denmark after all, folks! You are welcome, and we will protect your democratic and human rights like no other society. Promise!
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Blanket trust in the law when it benefits Danes and tightening of the law if it can inconvenience non-Danes.
Seasonticket
You always say you want to do something and change something. But you also always only address your "neighbors" in a respectful, or: accepting, way. In fact, you cheer with them whenever they hit "the enemy" with a hard, sarcastic, or perfid punch!
You tolerate, in reality, anything from Fuzzy Heidi & consorts, and very little from people like me. That makes you everything you say you fight against.
The truth is that if you really want to change anything, you don't need to talk to your "neighbors" - you need to talk to me! Instead of always crowding and shouting, you have to come over as a human being and sit at my table, so we can talk things over.
This kind of perfid communication does not work to improve anything:
"Blanket trust in the law when it benefits Danes and tightening of the law if it can inconvenience non-Danes."
Unfortunately, you have gotten used to this kind of communication as 'acceptable', because everybody else puts it even worse.
Mr. Manky has his mission which is to mock, and I respect that, since he is open about it. Your mission is - according to yourself - another and more idealistic one. You can not achieve your goal with the same means that Mr. Manky achieves his. You have to find your own style that doesn't push anyone away.
I am always willing to talk - but not in a sarcastic, mocking, shaming, or perfid tone. I would never mock anyone who addresses me seriously. You should be able to say the same, if you are really in search of solutions. Yes, I think some of the unpleasant laws recently imposed, solve even more unpleasant problems. If you have better solutions that respect my concerns, I am all ears, because I, too, am looking for the optimal solutions. Lets stop assuming so much, but just find out why we haven't arrived at the same conclusions. So start talking with your new friend.
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P. S. Try not to find errors or loose ends in this comment, only with the purpose of hitting me where my 'parades' are not high enough, 'kay ? :)
Lets rather give each other a chance to take down these silly parades for good
No "Season", Morten could not be further from the truth on at least one account; he is not the one to talk to.
People like him will only be changed by a personal event that cuts through the well layered exterior of xenophobia.
It will take something that pushes through to, yes we are sure he has Instead, talk to the ones that don't seem to think that they have an opinion, the people that somehow get their minds changed by DF at around voting time. Those are the majority and those are the vulnerable and those are the valuable.
Anonymous
The profile you describe hardly exists. Noone without an opinion votes DF. It has its price to do so, you see.
How will you change anything without confronting opinions in a mumain and understanding way ? Or at least honestly trying ?
It is opinions - what else ? - that influence people's choices any-old-how.
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Ah, mumain was to be humain:)
Please folks, don't tell me from now on and ever after that I am being mumain instead of being humain.
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Do you think it *should* be legal for someone to racially slur people?
And if you think that it *should* be legal, do you think that it *should* be acceptable for people in authority ("strong people") to say such things and belong to such groups?
Do you think that their freedom of speech is more important than the right of others not to be abused or humiliated etc?
If we differ significantly on how we answer these questions, there can be no dialogue. Any attempt to would push my slightly-left of centre views so far to the right as to be unrecognisable.
Noone without an opinion votes DF. It has its price to do so, you see....
Like I said in a previous comment: Once more feeling sorry for himself. Ooh the poor racists and xenophobes who have to endure so much more criticism than anyone else ...
As for "opinions"; opinions really don't matter. Knowledge matters. Of course, people who know their nextdoor neighbours are less likely to feel threatened by them, which is why in Danish schools classes in geography and Latin have been replaced with accolades about the world's greatest democracy.
Lol, not to be a nitpicker... but it should have been "humane" (but, I am not saying it is important that you spell it right, I understood what you meant)
Manky is not mocking anyone, he´s merely exposing the well-hidden truth, danish racism and xenophobia that is.
The cop-woman from Amager is convicted and fined, but still on sick leave, which means she still has a job, plus a signed petition by more than 120 police officers from her station.
Carlsen is a story for himself, that´s self-explanatory, many people in particular foreigners in Denmark, have a reason to fear him and his views as well huge crowds of his supporters.
Morten, "and we will protect your democratic and human rights like no other society. Promise!"
- It is such a shame that NO ONE trusts any longer what official and unofficial Denmark is saying. What democratic rights you´re on about? What Human Rights you´re on about?? Denmark has a horrible record on the Internationl Scene on Human Rights! It is the International Reports pilled up the evidence against your country! You can maybe shut the immigrants and foreigners and ethnic minorities in Denmark, but you or your government cannot do anything about on the international stage. Did you know that several times both the EU and the FN have on the severest criticised Denmark for appaling Human Rights?? Forget about Manky, Seasonticket, Fuzzy Heidi and everyone else for a second! It is the International Community who is deeply concerned for those Human Rights in Denmark!
Morten, you really need a serious reality check with your own little head! Honestly man! Hmmm, if it is as you say that there´s no racism or xenophobia spread out in Denmark, tell me one thing, why is that when Danes are going on holidays in recent years, those same Danes are leaving their danish t-shirts and danish viking hats at home??? It was several danish newspapers who, quote: "we are going on holiday and not to be interrogated by the whole World why we hate so much our foreigners at home or to talk about the cartoons"! See, lots and lots of people are being aware what´s going on on the outside World Morten, perhaps it´s time for you and people like you to start looking at things, in particular danish racism and xenophobia with a bit different eyes and ears!
Have a nice day!
Sad, my husband suffers from an equally tragic blind assumption that the legal system here is flawless. Such massive delusion here, I just don't get it.
Today, The Guardian published a letter I wrote them some days ago, which
may be read here:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/dec/05/climate-change-carbon-offset-copenhagen
Alas, they abbreviated it almost away.
What I wrote to them is this:
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On November 23, the Danish Ambassador to Britain declared (”We’ll protect protest in Copenhagen“) that the Danish government has no intention to ban or suppress peaceful protest and the new “anti-riot” legislation introduced for the climate conference in Copenhagen will only target violent protesters.
While the Ambassador obviously has to defend the government he is representing, his remarks are disingenuous.
The new law will (as reported on November 26, “Denmark approves new police powers ahead of Copenhagen“) impose a mandatory minimum sentence of 40 days in prison for anyone charged with “obstructing police work”.
It will also impose a minimum fine of about £500 for anyone charged with “disorderly conduct” or for not leaving immediately after a demonstration has been broken up.
These regulations effectively criminalise a wide variety of peaceful protest and anyone participating in a demonstration. In Denmark, all kinds of peaceful civil disobedience are now punishable with 40 days of prison - and this is only the last of a long list of totalitarian and xenophobic measures which are seriously undermining democracy and freedom in Denmark.
Visiting activists are likely to learn about this the hard way when they are imprisoned or fined for peaceful dissent which should be legal in any civilised country.
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The abbreviated version is on the Guardians' site.
This is just a very tiny squeak, but I'd suggest other people could also attempt to get things out in the printed media outside Denmark. People with better command of the English (or German, or French ...) language could probably do it better than me. Blogs are fine and a whole lot better than nothing, but the printed media still have much more influence & are read by many more people. Come on, folks, you can do much better than me :-)
@ Seasonticket
I stand corrected :) Too superficial to look up the spelling.
I think that racial sluring should be covered by the laws regarding defamation. If it is done in general, I believe it will disqualify the "slurer".
"And if you think that it *should* be legal, do you think that it *should* be acceptable for people in authority ("strong people") to say such things and belong to such groups?"
It should not be acceptable - it should be totally unacceptable.It IS totally unacceptable.
"Do you think that their freedom of speech is more important than the right of others not to be abused or humiliated etc?"
No. But wait: I think that people should not be protected from feeling humiliated or insulted by opinions. That would end freedom of speech.
Peter almost calls me a racist and a xenophobe. I can't spend time defending myself against these constant accusations. Do you think he should be sued for that ? :) Nah, he is probably too indirect anyway ...
Don't worry: it's not my style. But I can't help pointing to the fact that I would be able to sue a lot of the "debatters" in here - and none of them would be able to sue me back. Interesting, huh?
My advice is: Judge people on their communcation only. That'll tell you more about what they are, than what they say they are.
And I guess that was just about the worst thing I could say. Fire at will, people - I'll keep my head down for a while :)
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Anonymous
You are talking about intimidation - that is also not a good platform for a debate.
Find evidence for racism and xenophobia instead. Than we will discuss it - and then perhaps you can enlighten me.
But beware - I'll try to enlighten you, too. You would want that, wouldn't you ?
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Than = then :)
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Morten "Find evidence for racism and xenophobia instead. Than we will discuss it - and then perhaps you can enlighten me." ????
You are just as bad as Pia and Carlsen!!!!!
This is exactly why Manky started this in a first place, expose secret, hidden, tucked in, danish racism and xenophobia!
If you don´t care about how people and the outside World see this or how people feel or even worse when people on their skin experience racism and xenophobia, then no one can help you to heal. Arrogance, ignorance and intimidation, yes you´re xenophobically trying to shut every voice of democracy, just like Pia, Carlsen and Nicolai and many others like them. But since you are wellknown on this blog, I will happily wish you a good day and to tell you that I am a much better person than you can only dream of! Bye bye!!
Okay, one more:
Seasonticket
Do you think any ethnical Dane might feel 'abused' or 'humiliated' by some of the statements made in here ?
Do you think they should be protected from it ?
I don't.
Do you think some of the statements about Danes made in here could be called 'ethnic sluring' ?
And did you react ?
I did.
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I'd like to know what the nazi will do if some tourist, let's say a black guy or a woman wearing a head scarf, starts taking pictures of him in front of the castle. Or tries to have a picture taken with him.
You keep inviting me to debate, I get all excited and start one up and then you get back to your point-scoring.
What's a girl to do?
Do you think that freedom of speech is more important than the right of others not to be abused or humiliated etc?
After making comments that expose prejudice against groups of people, what should happen next?
Should those people have positions of responsibility like police officer, soldier, judge etc?
Even if what they say is not illegal, SHOULD they be allowed to have the lives of people they dislike in their hands?
(If it helps, think about if some of the people making comments here had a day job as traffic cop/tax officer/social worker etc)
@ Seasonticket
But I did answer you. This is my answer:
"No. But wait: I think that people should not be protected from feeling humiliated or insulted by opinions. That would end freedom of speech."
If you mean that if somebody feels offended by an opinion, then the opinion is violating their rights, I have to answer "no".
I then continued debate by making aware that many general statements made about Danes in here have been potentially offensive.
But I don't think we should be protected from them. Because it would be impossible to draw a limit. We are all capable of feeling offended.
So yes: to abuse someone or humiliate them can sometimes be worse than denying them freedom of speech. But the funny thing is, that these two things often accompany each other.
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"Thank God! Otherwise I guess we would all fire each other ... "
This happens already, only to everyone who's views don't fit into mainstream Danish society. Apparently Nazis fit in.
"So come to Denmark after all, folks! You are welcome, and we will protect your democratic and human rights like no other society. Promise"
Lies. We've already seen peace-loving, pacifist muslims being run out of the armed forces for wanting to wear headscarves. We've seen foreign languages banned at schools, and constant debates about controlling peaceful aspects of some religions because people find them unpleasant. Not illegal, just unpleasant.
"Find evidence for racism and xenophobia instead. Than we will discuss it - and then perhaps you can enlighten me."
And all the news articles I've post up here are what? For people like you, there will never be evidence, because you'll just blur the lines and play with semantics so you come out right. That's why I'm making a scene instead of trying to talk - what good is debate without people who, to use a Danish expression, "talk like imams".
Your starting assumption is that Denmark is perfect; that's your yardstick, and everything else is bent to fit around that. Ironically you're not really different from a Holocaust denier, because you just cannot see the opposite side, meaning us, as human equals. You and Denmark are right, we as non-Danes are wrong.
@ Seasonticket
They should not be prohibited from it for the reasons already mentioned. It is too dangerous to do that.
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I nearly forgot you, Peter:
"Of course, people who know their nextdoor neighbours are less likely to feel threatened by them".
On the contrary. As you can see statistically and read in still more books.
You see, it depends on who their neighbors are. Why don't you read Lars Olsen's book "Det delte Danmark" (he used to live in "Mjølnerparken") or this article by a young woman living in Nørrebro ?
What if your neighbors were nazis ? Would you be able to learn to understand them ?
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@ Mr. Manky
"We've seen foreign languages banned at schools"
Well, let's take that one. Please, read Ulla Lauridsen's comment which includes it. It is in Danish - I am not aware of similar texts in English. Maybe Google can help with a translation.
Challenge: Why don't you all read it - and we start debatting something concrete from there ?
It is not true that I don't see you as equal human beings, by the way. How can I convince you ?
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"Nej, Rothstein mener naturligvis, at alle skal tale pænt til alle i en babelsk blanding af alle sprog. "
"Er det schweiziske demokrati truet? Det er nyt for mig."
Wrote a profanity-laced reply to this, then realized it wasn't worth it. I'm off to have dinner with my beautiful wife in my multilingual home.
Stuff like this doesn't make for a debate. Maybe one day you'll figure it out. Peace.
So, what is your problem with people using hate speech to slur Danes? If it is fair game outside towards outsiders? If it is freedom of speech? If it does not interfere with how someone does their job?
Can you really not see why we are upset by a Nazi royal guard and a racist cop on gardening leave?
@ Seasonticket
Upset ... sure. But that is just too bad, because that doesn't give us the right to punish him. To punish someone, the people in question need to violate the laws.
You seem to have decided that the cop is a racist. We don't really know, but nothing points in that direction from what I have read. She was angry with some troublemakers whom she called "perkere" and that was a condescending statement she made. She was found guilty of making an illegal statement in public. Convicted. And to the best of my knowledge, fired. I read it on text TV, but I didn't dubble check.
You use the term 'racist' with a too loose hand. Many people in here have assumed that I am a 'racist'. But I am only 'Danish'. The truth is that I, too, live in a 'multi-lingual' family. My wife is Chinese and we have two children. In the past I was married to a Pakistani.
I feel that my struggle for civil rights is also on their behalf.
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Oh Morten please "dubble check" everything, start with definitions of racism and xenophobia, International definitions not some danish interpretations!
That cop woman IS a racist & xenophob, end of!
That nazi guy IS racist & xenophob, end of!
Morten, your views and statements resemble racist & xenophob environments, despite your situation, whatever that situation of yours is, end of.
If a cop called anyone back home "paki" I would be calling her racist. For instance, Prince Harry used that word to describe a friend and I called him racist. Openly and on the internet.
http://adventuresandjapes.wordpress.com/2009/01/15/racism/
Why not campaign for the laws, about what people in public office can and cannot say, to be changed, Morten?
If you do not agree with them... as a citizen... They must be changed if enough of your fellow Danes agreed they were wrong, after all.
We do not need dialogue so much as action, don't you think?
Anyway, don't Danish laws leave things deliberately vague so that people can use their discretion? Is this one of those cases where they are tight as a drum?
I actually find myself agreeing with Morten about seasonticket.
"Mr. Manky has his mission which is to mock, and I respect that, since he is open about it. Your mission is - according to yourself - another and more idealistic one. You can not achieve your goal with the same means that Mr. Manky achieves his. You have to find your own style that doesn't push anyone away.
I am always willing to talk - but not in a sarcastic, mocking, shaming, or perfid tone. I would never mock anyone who addresses me seriously. You should be able to say the same, if you are really in search of solutions. Yes, I think some of the unpleasant laws recently imposed, solve even more unpleasant problems. If you have better solutions that respect my concerns, I am all ears, because I, too, am looking for the optimal solutions. Lets stop assuming so much, but just find out why we haven't arrived at the same conclusions. So start talking with your new friend."
Look at her comment about something I wrote in the previous post.
If you would like to debate or whatever do come out with proper facts or arguments or sources like manky, morten, babs, instead of just biting another head's off and going in for the kill with your SARCASM. (Dang I think I caught both yours and Anonymous's exclamation marks/question marks/capitalization disease).
Thank you Manky for starting this blog but your cronies are a bit too much for me so I better leave before I get torn to pieces for some other mild comments.
Hmm ... leaving. Would I qualify for the 100K?
The problem here is that the Danish legal system is not prepared to deal with racism and the society does not recognize the long-term (and arguably the short-term) consequences of in-your-face open racism. Part of the reason for this is that Denmark has never come to terms with it's colonial past (and present ie. Greenland) which includes being a significant player in the transatlantic slave trade.
The history of the country has been white washed (no pun intended ... I think) just as Wonderful Copenhagen white washes the present. The result is the system we see today and how outsiders are placed in this system.
A columnist in the Cph Post made an amusing comment a few years ago, it goes something like this:
"Regulations in Denmark are strange, this country has a whole book of regulations on bicycle lights, but only a paragraph on racism."
Whenever we stand up to those who deny or minimize the Holocaust, or to those who support genocide we send a critical message to the world. By permitting a known Nazi sympathizer to become a royal guard, Denmark is allowing itself to be used as a platform for anti-Semitism.
We know from captured German war records that millions of innocent Jews were systematically exterminated by Nazi Germany - most in gas chambers. This fact comes not from anecdotal information, but from detailed German records, captured by the Allies. The anecdotal information corroborates and adds to this public knowledge. Virtually every PhD in History will stake his or her career on these facts.
Despite this knowledge, Holocaust deniers ply their mendacious poison everywhere, especially with young people on the Internet. Holocaust books and films help to tell the true story of the Shoah, combating anti-Semitic historical revision. And, they protect vulnerable future generations from making the same mistakes.
My Holocaust book required three years of detailed, painstaking research. It examines a constellation of emotions during a time of incomprehensible brutality. A world that continues to allow genocide requires such ethical reminders and remediation.
Many authors feel compelled to use their talent to promote moral causes. Holocaust books and movies carry that message globally, in an age when the world needs to learn that genocide is unacceptable. Such authors attempt to show the world that religious, racial, ethnic and gender persecution is wrong; and that tolerance is our progeny's only hope.
We need books and films that allow individuals to comprehend the terror experienced by Holocaust victims on a personal level. They reveal the horror of genocide and the triumphant spirit of humankind.
Charles Weinblatt
Author, "Jacob's Courage"
http://jacobscourage.wordpress.com/
Thanks to Morten for infusing some common sense into the debate.
Here is my 2 x 1 cent:
Cent no. 1: As I understand it, the cop has only been suspended, because of workers rights, possible appeals etc. Once the case is closed, and the paperwork has been processed, she will be without a job.
Cent no. 2: Being a nazi is perfectly legal in Denmark. Daniel Carlsen does not violate any laws as far as I know, so he should be allowed to serve in any function he is competent for. If he refuses to do any duties as they relate to dealing with non-whites (as some would speculate) his ass will be fired instantly.
No, nyidenmark, you wouldn´t qualify for those 100K as Denmark gives that only its own non-western ethnic minorities who are legally allowed, by the danish law, to be in the country, however, Pia and the company agreed on the longer run these people are burden to their balance sheets and since they are useless, it´s better to bribe them to just leave the country for good, and to legaly signed that they have no right to return to denmark ever. You can only wonder now how the International community is looking at this particular law.
Charles Weinblatt, well, if you have a living example like Morten who blindly denies existance of racism and xenophobia in Denmark and even dares to ask for the evidence to prove to him those silly claims, how on earth you are expecting from someone like him and others of course to understand and accept the truth about the Holocaust?
Denmark cares more about anything else in this World than it cares for its appaling human rights record, something the international community has several times underlined to the official Denmark. As our wise ex-policewoman Birthe says "EU is always criticising us for something!". Well, love, maybe because there´s a good reason for it? ;-)
William, "Cent no. 2: Being a nazi is perfectly legal in Denmark. Daniel Carlsen does not violate any laws as far as I know, so he should be allowed to serve in any function he is competent for."
- This is exactly the whole problem! In both Austria and Germany is illegal to be a Nazi, in Denmark isn´t! Perhaps, this needs to change, this particular law to be changed, did you ever think of that, perhaps, perhaps, perhaps? Did you ever questioned why this isn´t illegal in Denmark while it is strictly forbidden in countries like Germany and Austria? Did you ever ask yourself a question why a Britih Holocaust denier is being convicted of a crime and he must serve a jail sentence for his statements? And guess what? This has nothing to do with freedom of speech or democracy, it has a lot to do with a pure common sense!
P.S. Apologies for a few typos! speeding, speeding, speeding, "lol".
@ Anonymous, you write: In both Austria and Germany is illegal to be a Nazi, in Denmark isn´t! Perhaps, this needs to change, this particular law to be changed, did you ever think of that, perhaps, perhaps, perhaps?
WJ: First of all: Germany and Austia has an unique historical legacy as it relates to nazism, and therefore more draconian means seems to me to be justified in these countries. Denmarks legacy from WWII is significantly different, thus I wouldn't infer an optimal Danish policy from studying Germany and Austria.
Second of all: Now I am quite certain, that there are nazis in Austria and Germany, and they are active.
I would rather have nazis out in the open and easily identified and countered, than hiding in secret. People are really keeping a close eye on Daniel Carlsen.
His German equivalent with the same opinions would never have stated them publicly, and thus wouldn't have the same keen eye on him. Does that make you feel more or less safe?
"Denmarks legacy from WWII is significantly different"
Not so significantly different that you should accept open Nazis, William.
These people should be feared (and out of public office jobs).
And if it forces Nazism underground, people need to search for it.
Babs will be pleased that someone thinks I am more sarcastic than she is... *sigh*
(What if I was genuinely suggesting that if we pay attention to the good stuff, the racism will disappear on its own? Is that obviously sarcastic because of how stupid it is? Where is the 'sarcasm' line, would you say?)
Actually, fascism in Denmark in the 30s and 40s is one of those factors that have been white washed along with the colonial history. It would be interesting if someone explored the role and influence of Danish fascists in post-war Denmark ... and how it relates to the present day.
Actually, fascism in Denmark in the 30s and 40s is one of those factors that have been white washed ...
If any expats want to practise their Danish on a very funny and precise novel about this, Hans Scherfig's "Frydenholm" is a must.
It is about the extensive, now white-washed, collaboration with the Germans before and during the occupation.
This collaboration is one of the most singularly embarassing parts of Danish history, and it's no wonder it's been whitewashed.
Plus, the parallels to today's situation are really stunning at times. Many places, while reading "Frydenholm", you'll go: No, *this* can't be. They didn't do *that* for the Germans. But yes, they did. Every single historical detail in that book checks out.
So if you can read Danish and like to read humorous novels, whatever you do, don't miss "Frydenholm". As hinted, it may also tell you something about Denmark today.
Mort the 'bort and Will of the Mill: I haven't read your comments yet, but I just want to ask you:
DID you eat your extra bowl of stupid this morning?
Yes? Good.
Then it's business as usual on the Morten and William Show, c/o Mr Manky's Blog, Denmark, Europa, The world.
Yups, Babs, they´ve eaten more than they should, a bowl of stupid it is, lol.
Hm, my recollection of memory goes all the way back to the times when previous socialdemocratic leader of Denmark came clean about his own father being a Nazi, hm, what that does tell us? Whitewash? Can you actually be arrested for even saying this outloud?
LOL!
Oops!
Babs,
Mr. Manky needs all the support he can get in proving his point, so it's only good of Morten and William to help out. Now, if you meet someone who's lucky enough to be able to say "but I met only nice people - where are all the Danish dickheads you keep talking about?" Now you know where to point them! A self-documenting blog, as it were. I think Mr. Manky may actually be paying them to prove his points.
Mr Manky and others like him are leaving Denmark, which is a right thing to do for the right reason as well. I would advise the same everyone else, so let´s see how many "foreigners" will actually stay in Denmark?
Agger: well done for getting a letter published in the Guardian!
Now Agger and Babs,
I am almost *sure* this is sarcasm and ethnic slurrage and I will not stand for it. I WILL NOT.
morten.
PERFID IS NOT A WORD.
Babs, now you´re really being cruel to our Morten! (LOL!) You know his limits with words and phrases, don´t you? (ROCK&LOLL!)
A few more things:
Let me nitpick just a little bit to start things off: Perker is not the N-bomb for Arabs. It is a contraction of the two Danish words tyrker (Turk) and perser (Persian), and it is a slur against all people of Middle Eastern descent, not just Arabs. The majority of Muslims in Denmark have either Turkish or Persian family-backgrounds, and only a slight minority have Arab family-backgrounds.
As for the mention of the Danish tourist-experience abroad. I actually experienced the cartoon-crisis from Mumbai, India – home to millions of Muslims. I have travelled extensively in Asia since the crisis, including many predominantly Muslim areas. I have never experienced anything but goodwill from Muslims, who were aware of my nationality. Take it from someone, who has been there and done that. The vast majority of Muslims will treat you as an individual, and not as a representative of a nation. They don't care, if you are Danish and you won't need to hide your nationality. I suspect, it is only bigots with low expectations towards Muslims, who will hide their nationality abroad. After all, you can't be thinking much of Muslims, if you expect them to look past your individual humanity and focus strictly on your nationality. And...
Nobody here denies the Holocaust. Nobody here is denying racism and xenophobia exists in Denmark (least of all Morten, who I presume experienced it first hand being married to a Pakistani). It is disingenuous to frame this debate in terms of people who deny or acknowledge Holocaust or racism. We all acknowledge the sad historical facts, and the sad contemporary reality. And nobody here is representing the view-point, that Denmark is a nothing-but-lovely country.
If we want to debate constructively we need to acknowledge the participants in the debate as individuals with specific sets and subsets of opinion, instead of viewing them as representatives of pre-defined opinion-aggregates.
William: who said anything about constructive debate? You are danskifying this blog comment section with your knee jerk dialog and 'debate'..This isn't your last year in college. This is a humble blog. There is no answer to anything you say, because you are 'right'.
????
Go back to your pretentious danskified arenas, and leave the good people here in peace to talk about what we want to talk about which is, quite apart from nazis taking care of the Danish Queen, how boring and annoying and utterly pointless a lot of people trained up in the Danish system (i.e: danskified) or calling themselves 'Danish' can be. And how liverpostej is the bumcrease scum of satan.
Having said that, some of my best friends were brought up in Denmark, but due to their rebellious fibres are not loyal to the current Danish system.
What is the Danish system? Go check out the maternity wards and see how kids are streamed from the very beginning, follow them up through the børnehaver and crappy SFO programing and so on and then see what tends to pop out at the end.
Gormless idiots who like to 'do' debate and 'free speech', but basically say and do nothing but burrow their arses deeper in their L shaped sofas.
Only people who have broken out of that cycle have any real soul.
So listen, not against any one living in Denmark with a bit of an unusual take, but you are just one more boring old danskified fart.
Even Agger is borderline, but you can see he is struggling and desiring to break out. And he has lived in Rosenhøj which gives him 5 more credibility points. He is slightly more bearable because while being obviously a product of the danskification process, he is also yearning for a life beyond the boring old fart life.
In other words William: did you have an extra spoonful of danskification with your usual bowl of stupid this morning?
You keep imposing your danski ideals on these melting pot comment threads. Why not do that with your own kind? I.e: people who have done their ten years of danski and believe in it?
The same goes for Morten who is enjoying making his presence felt here too.
You are obsessed with the people who comment on this blog.
You are not holding the same interest for many of 'us'.
William,
You keep inviting us to debate. Debate us then.
Do you think that people who have denied the Holocaust or used words that slur both Turks and Persians *simultaneously* about Arabs, SHOULD be allowed to have a job like cop or palace guard?
Can you think of any examples outside of this country where "out" racists and nazis have such jobs? Do they do a fine job or do people suspect them of being a bit dodgy?
Do you think it is okay? Do you think they can do their jobs properly? Do you think it would be okay for someone who had burned a Dannebrog after the Cartoon Crisis to have a job like Palace Guard or cop?
Should the laws be changed in any way? If not, why not? If so, how so?
William, BABS is right.
William, PLEASE, do not educate the whole World what a word "Perker" means as many generations in Denmark felt it on their own skin, its meaning, context, conotations and all the negatives around it.
Yes, danish "P"-word for foreigners is as bad as American "N"-word, if not even worse, because danes are using "P"-word not just for the muslims, arabs, turks but also for other nationalities, religious, you name it (as long as you´re not identified as American, British or other Westerner!). Especially the context of the "P"-word is being used against all foreign.
William, and Morten, and everyone else like you people, don´t you bloody get it?? Denmark has long time ago lost its credibility internationally about anything what concerns human rights!!
Oh Nooooo, people like Manky, Babs and others are doing this for fun and because they are bored, so they just pick up randomly on one country for NO APPARENT REASON! No Apparent Reason, that is.
@WilliamJensen
"A few more things:
Let me nitpick just a little bit to start things off: Perker is not the N-bomb for Arabs. It is a contraction of the two Danish words tyrker (Turk) and perser (Persian), and it is a slur against all people of Middle Eastern descent, not just Arabs. The majority of Muslims in Denmark have either Turkish or Persian family-backgrounds, and only a slight minority have Arab family-backgrounds. "
Wow. What a load of self-centred bullshit. This is SO typical of your way of thinking - you want to tell the victims of this slur how to feel about it? Talk about a sick need to control everything. "Perker is not the N-bomb for Arabs" ???
....
Your comment is pure gold. Who needs shocking news stories to scare foreigners off when I can lure racists like you out of the woodwork. Please, do go on demonstrating to the world what a bunch of self-centered "me-first" backwater freaks you guys are.
HAHAHAHAHA!!! MANKY, YOU NEED TO DO STORY ON THIS ONE!!!! HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
http://www.berlingske.dk/kronikker/verdens-bedste-integrationsland
WHERE ALL THE DANISH FOREIGNERS AND ETHNIC MINORITIES ARE GOING TO BE IN 2020?? OH YEAH PIA WILL GET THEM OUT WITH HER 100K OFFER!!! HAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Just to be fair and to comment on this subject too:
Yes, Nazism is bad for any society as they make lots of people nervous, so I am not really sure that Freedom Of Speech has anything to do with banning the Nazis in general. Now, is that possible in Denmark? Of course NOT.
Yes, racist cop she still has her job, and no one really cares what she said on the TV2 News that she´s isn´t a racist when she is one! The problem got bigger because you have OTHER 120 police officers in the force fromher unit, including her bosses that support her?! No ethnic minority of Denmark can have trust and confidence in the danish police force, oh yeah police farce! The EU said to sack her, so sack her!
Who is this William? Pia´s cousin???
@ BABS: Well, you have already admitted to being a fake (on your own blog under the heading disclaimer), so pardon me for not taking you too seriously. You do have one single on the point-comment, which needs to be celebrated: liverpostej is the bumcrease scum of satan.
I couldn't agree more. I would never eat meat, and especially not meat processed in Denmark. As far as I am concerned, it is morally dubious to eat meat processed, raised or slaughtered in Denmark. Do you agree?
@ Anon, you write: Actually, fascism in Denmark in the 30s and 40s is one of those factors that have been white washed along with the colonial history.
WJ: And right you are... Working at Kronborg Castle, which includes the maritime museum (i.e. Exhibitions on slave trade) as well as having some nasty history (read up on Song of Roland for the the racist origins of the Holger Danske-myth) I do my best to rub off some of that whitewash. But wouldn't you agree, that even on the worst of days, Denmarks legacy relating to nazis during WWII is qualitatively different from Germany or Austrias?
I second Aggers recommendation of Frydenholm.
Anon: my recollection of memory goes all the way back to the times when previous socialdemocratic leader of Denmark came clean about his own father being a Nazi
WJ: We do not inherit the sins of our fathers. Poul Nyrup Rasmussen does not share one ounce of his fathers burden of guilt as it pertains to his nominal membership of the nazi-party.
Anon: PLEASE, do not educate the whole World what a word "Perker" means as many generations in Denmark felt it on their own skin, its meaning, context, conotations and all the negatives around it.
WJ: Actually, it was Mr. Manky who started to educate the whole world, and even do so in a manner that was apologetic towards racism. The scope of the word was much broader, than Mr. Manky was owning up to, so I had to correct him and tell him how broad a target, this nasty and vile word has.
Anon: Who is this William? Pia´s cousin???
WJ: I blog under an open identity (confirmed via Facebook amongst other verification-processes), because I believe it is important to show an open face to anyone from Pia Kjærsgaard to rabid imams. People who abuse power love it, when their critics are anonymous, and they hate it, when somebody signs their statement, and shows they are not intimidated. I will always speak truth to power without the use of a handle or avatar. ...and no; I am not related to Pia Kjærsgaard.
@ Seasonticket, you ask: Do you think that people who have denied the Holocaust or used words that slur both Turks and Persians *simultaneously* about Arabs, SHOULD be allowed to have a job like cop or palace guard?
WJ: I think people who have been sentenced in a court of law for any crime should not be allowed to be a cop. That goes for the cop in the presently discussed case. I do not see a problem in a largely ceremonial function as a palace guard being covered by racists, as long as they do the job to the letter. Palace-guard is a bum-job with no consequence, let the nazi-bum have it.
Seasonticket: Can you think of any examples outside of this country where "out" racists and nazis have such jobs?
WJ: I would have to research it first, but I suspect all of Europe, the US, most of Africa, the middle east etc. all have racists performing bum-jobs such as palace-guard.
Seasonticket: Do you think they can do their jobs properly?
WJ: Yes, and if not; they should be fired. The palace guards job mandates silence around spectators. Isn't it lovely with a nazi committed to being silent all day long?
Seasonticket: Do you think it would be okay for someone who had burned a Dannebrog after the Cartoon Crisis to have a job like Palace Guard or cop?
WJ: Yes, certainly. Burning the flag is neither a crime according to the law, or a moral offense according to me. I'd burn the flag myself given the right cause. No qualms about it. And I have no hesitation to work alongside a flagburner.
Seasonticket: Should the laws be changed in any way? If not, why not? If so, how so?
WJ: As it relates to the present discussion, the blasphemy-laws should be removed and the racism-laws should be modified to allow any or all kinds of blasphemy. Other than that, I think the relevant laws are adequate for situations as those discussed here.
@ Mr. Manky, you write: This is SO typical of your way of thinking - you want to tell the victims of this slur how to feel about it?
WJ: No, I do not. I do not write one word about how anyone should feel about this word. I am just correcting your take on the word, and letting the world know, that this ethnic slur is not just used against Arabs (as you erroneously state). It has a much wider scope. Do you dispute me on the factual dimensions to this discussion? If not; what are you criticizing me for?
I'd stand up to anyone using that slur.
Babs is no faker.
You will never be able to work it out Willum/MOrten, whatever your name is.
Is Babs a faker. here is what she writes herself:
This blog is not true. None of it is true. It is a tissue of nontruths and based on fiction.
That’s right, it is a work of FICTION and intended only for entertainment purposes.
IF YOU ARE SILLY TO TAKE ANY OF THIS SERIOUSLY THEN YOU ARE SILLY.
THIS IS NOT A SERIOUS BLOG.
HALF OF IT I MADE UP, THE OTHER HALF IS WHAT OTHER PEOPLE MAKE UP.
http://babsindk.wordpress.com/dislaimer/
@INTEGRATION2020
Thanks for the link! I don't always catch these things, so I appreciate it when anyone posts news links here. Just wrote it up.
William, you are obsessed.
And yet, with all your attention to the details, you still don't get it.
It's good you think that I am a 'faker'. That disclaimer was written solely for people like you who need a trap door.
Fjols
@William
Ever consider that .. you're not really making any headway here, and that I don't hang out on your blog harassing your readers, so maybe it's a bit uncool that you constantly bug mine?
@WJ
A fascist is a fascist.
@William
Thank you for answering my points directly.
There is so very little we agree on that I have no idea what purpose discussion would have.
My belief is that the freedom of speech laws are probably fine as they are but certain jobs should have a code of conduct which extends into the private lives of the workers, insofar as what words they use to describe human beings, what groups they can belong to etc.
We are never going to agree or even reach a compromise, so what's the point?
Why not simply block all our IP's, Mr Manky? Or make your blog by invite only? Then you won't have to suffer the annoyance of people like us who dare voice dissent against your one-sided, biased, and propagandistic view of our country.
Otherwise, you'll just have to live with us. You and Babs and Fuzzy. 'Coz we ain't going nowhere anytime soon.
Or as we say in Denmark: Have some more leverpostej, Mr Manky.
;)
@ manky, you write: you're not really making any headway here, and that I don't hang out on your blog harassing your readers, so maybe it's a bit uncool that you constantly bug mine?
WJ: I am debating, and if the good people at blogger.com request I stay off their server I will. You are very welcome to post on my blog in whatever language, that fits you. If you choose to block my IP I will be fine with it. Or you could make your blog by invite only.
@ Seasonticket, you write: My belief is that the freedom of speech laws are probably fine as they are but certain jobs should have a code of conduct which extends into the private lives of the workers, insofar as what words they use to describe human beings, what groups they can belong to etc.
WJ: Read my posts again. We do agree on this. We actually agree on the principles. I believe it applies for the police-officer, just not the ceremonial palace-guard. The police should have a code of conduct, the palace guards shouldn't. You want to include palace guards on your list of professionals, that need a code of conduct, which to me indicates an exaggerated view of palace guards importance, not an erroneous principled position.
And Babs avoided my question; does she eat meat processed or slaughtered in Denmark? I am a Dane, and I wouldn't do that, would she be hypocritical enough to do so?
You are most WELCOME Manky!
Here´s another one for you, a typical danish obsession and this is exactly why all danish Governments failed on integration: they will never accept you even if you´re totally blonde!!
http://ekstrabladet.dk/flash/dkkendte/article1265701.ece
In countries like America, Britain, Canada, Australia, this little technical detail wouldn´t be mentioned at all, but we are talking about DENMARK!!
Yes, BABS, you´re a faker, William, Morten and all of them are right, do you hear me?! LOL!
Grow up muppets!! Just because someone has an opinion about something AND you don´t agree with it, that doesn´t necessarily mean that he or she must hand you out their life portfolio packed with their full names, address, telephones, email and whether they are straight, gay, bisexual, religious and so on.
This is typical danish obsession, to know everything about everyone in a very single detail! And why? To easily discredit anyone who they don´t like!!!
F-off muppets!
You know what, Anonymous? In your case we can dispense with the name. After all, you do a fine job discrediting yourself without us knowing it. Just think how we would guffaw if we actually knew who you are! Better stay anonymous and out of harm's way, eh?
You know, like the "brave" reporter running this blog, our fearless host.
:-)
To William
But "Babs" can't win however she answers. Her blog is a parody, so her internet presence is a "persona".
It actually makes no difference to the persona what the person writing it eats, does it? Does it?
I assume you think it is very unlikely that someone living in this country is vegetarian and this is some sort of attempt at an ad hominem attack. Disappointing.
Jorgen, do you know how easy it is to get phone numbers and addresses in this country? Of course people have pseudonyms. No Lars Andersen or Anders Larssens here, our names are likely to be unique in the country. You just do not know who is reading when you are on the internet, safety first and all that.
My point exactly! As long as you´re not anders andersen, jan jansen, peter petersen, you have to think of your safety first, and now a polite get off to all those obsessed "discreditors". ""guffaw""
Many people use pseudonyms while on the Net, and I respect the reasons that lead many to take such a decision - like in the case of this blog, the important thing is what's being said, not who's saying it, so it doesn't really matter who mr. Manky is.
But I'd like to challenge the "safety" aspect. The notion that speaking up in your own name is dangerous has a chilling effect upon people who might otherwise make a difference. And it appeals to a fear culture which is unfounded. Speaking up in public under your own name is not dangerous, at least not in this country (and I'm not "hans jensen" either). At least not yet, one might add. But still.
Though admittedly, if your first name is Ibrahim or Ahmed and your last name is Khan or Cilic and you try to enter local politics, you may get some really nasty things in the mail. Just ask Yildiz Akdogan or Öslem Sara Cekic:
http://24.dk/article.jsp?articleId=1017
Hmmm, not just immigrant politicians, though.
Sarah Victoria Bruun, 19 at the time and candidate for Enhedslisten for the local council in Aarhus (nr. 2 on the list at the recent elections) was assaulted in the street by someone who knew her name:
http://www.aarhus.dk/default.asp?Id=251&AjrDcmntId=3573
Note that she is half Jewish and the assaulter shouted anti-Semite slurs at her.
Not just Sarah. Peter Hegner Bonfils, spokesman for Antiracistisk Netværk in Århus and candidate for the local council for Enhedslisten was assaulted, presumably by members of White Pride:
http://debat.modkraft.dk/read.php?2,141896
In both cases from Århus, police have refused to take the assaults seriously as political violence, presumably as an act of harassment against the left-wing Enhedslisten.
This blog has a bit more of the collusion of right-wing media, including blogs, in that kind of assaults:
http://blog.blazingangles.net/soapbox/2008/10/sarah-victoria-bruuns-liv-kunn.html
So some bad things of this sort do happen, more than you usually hear about in the media.
Still I maintain people should generally not be afraid, even if they have somewhat unique names.
Agger is so damn right, bet your money on it!!!
And besides, why this William, Joergen & Co. are so keen to get other people´s names????
Now, there´s a thought! Or not!
Watch out People! :)
HMPF, WHY ARE YOU SO KEEN TO GET TO KNOW OTHER PEOPLE NAMES?
WOULD YOU BE PERHAPS INTERESTED IN THEIR ADDRESSES TOO?
HOW ABOUT THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS?
WHERE DO YOU STOP?
WOULD ALL THAT MAKE YOU ANY HAPPIER TO MAKE A JUDGEMENT ABOUT THEIR OWN OPINION?
WHY DO YOU NEED ALL THOSE PUZZLES AND LEGO BRICKS?
OH YEAH, THE COUNTRY OF LEGO!!! LMFAO!
THERE YOU GO!
NOW EVERYTHING FALLS IN PLACE!
IT MAKES SENSE!
ADVANCED APOLOGOIES FOR CAPS, MY KEYBORD IS ALL MESSED UP.
HMPF.
agger dude, thanx, but this is scarrrry stufffff.... brrrr.......
where´s the EXIT???????
I'm not afraid. No reason to be afraid of mouths eating own tails.
BABS, people like William or others alike, they would report you to the captain on the ship for taking a bit more chips on your plate than you should (in their opinion!), now imagine if you by any chance, God forbid(!lol!), had some undanishness in yourself, aaaaand tou happened to have different opinion to theirs?! YOU are danger! A danger! Do you hear me? L.O.L.!!
84 comments and counting. I'd like to thank my supporters but especially my even-more enthusiastic detractors for the crazy Google rank. You're just making it easier for me to reach more people.
I'm not a fan of censorship though, nor of blocking people. But there are two entirely different conversations running here. One is the discussion between us expats, which is important in its own right because it helps us to come to grips with what we experience here. And the other is the general debate we have with everyone. It would be so much nicer if we could have two entirely different comment streams running here. I'd much rather do it that way than block IPs or use approval moderation. Anyone know a blog host that does that?
And really, if you want to hang around here and be an arse, I'm not stopping you, yet. But you're still being an arse. You do know that, right?
@ Seasonticket, you write: I assume you think it is very unlikely that someone living in this country is vegetarian and this is some sort of attempt at an ad hominem attack.
WJ: I live in this country. I am a vegetarian.
Seasonticket: You just do not know who is reading when you are on the internet, safety first and all that.
WJ: The problem is that those in some sort of power will always take that as a sign of weakness. I prefer to dissent with my face held high. Nevertheless, XKCD has a brilliant posting on this issue:
http://xkcd.com/137/
Print it and hang it on your wall.
@ Agger, you write: if your first name is Ibrahim or Ahmed and your last name is Khan or Cilic and you try to enter local politics, you may get some really nasty things in the mail.
WJ: And some of it will come from Muslims, who think you are a sell-out or a "coconut". Just ask Naser Khader. But yup; I get your point. We should not let a culture of fear determine what we write or do not write. If we establish a culture of fear, then someone will try to establish a culture of repression, because "hey, you might as well..." We shouldn't pave the way for that.
@ Mr. Manky: I am quite convinced, that comments does not increase page-rank, even though that visits do. Please correct me, if I am wrong...
Anyway; there are quite a few Facebook-groups for expats, where you can discuss your experience and making postings, if that is your interest. Facebook-groups are a great way of reaching people with fellow interests.
Sung to the tune of "Santa Claus is Coming to Town."
They're makin' a list;
They're checkin' it twice;
They're checkin' to see
whose been foreign or nice;
The fascists are goin'
to TOWN (again)
Everybody ... sing along!
They're makin' a list;
They're checkin' it twice;
They're checkin' to see
whose been foreign or nice;
The fascists are goin'
to TOWN (again)
William, I believe Mr. Manky wrote in pretty uncertain terms that your comments are not desired. Are you always that hard of hearing or do you just *love* crashing parties where you're not welcome?
@ Anon, you write: William, I believe Mr. Manky wrote in pretty uncertain terms that your comments are not desired.
WJ: Actually he didn't. He said that he appreciated the comments, but would like to seperate the two streams of the discussions. Only if such a split is not a viable option, would he consider revoking commentators welcome.
I think Disqus-comments, which is WordPress-compatible, might serve Mr. Mankys needs in splitting things up.
We think it would help if you just go William, so please just go! :))
Here's what Manky wrote yesterday:
Ever consider that .. you're not really making any headway here, and that I don't hang out on your blog harassing your readers, so maybe it's a bit uncool that you constantly bug mine?
That's pretty clear language to me?
In absence of the two comment streams, what about splitting this so the "dialogue" part moves to Williams' blog, and expat criticism of Denmark remains here?
That way, anyone interested in debating with William can go there and debate ahead.
hear me out anno, william´s comments are ludicrous, he or she claims that FACEBOOK is the best verification of someone´s identity, why? just to get the name behind our opinions? why? because it is bloody racial profiling, that´s a disease here, that´s what´s the problem!! facebook?? ha ha ha ha ha ha... yeah, I am Samantha Fox on the facebook!
love,
Samantha F.
What anonymous said.
William, I'm not telling you to get lost in as many words, but you really ought to notice we're just not seeing eye-to-eye here, and it's highly unlikely we ever will.
I'd still prefer to leave the comments open, but not if we're going to retreat into two camps locked in a permanent stalemate.
Blogs are as open as houses, if the door is unlocked, you can just walk in.
Several times William and Morten have been asked if they wouldn't mind taking 'it' elsewhere, but they keep walking in and mouthing off. Nasty shits.
It's not welcome, not for a lot of us, and they keep doing it. *shrugs*
Fair enough, the doors open, they say, I suppose.
And worse still, they go off and use yet more time to fill up other blog spaces on 'us', naming us by name (albeit usernames) talking some more, then coming back here for more..
And we have said: would you mind, um, doin your thang somewhere else, you are getting nowhere fast?
Considering whatever we say here is going to be discussed elsewhere then it's not like they don't have the forum for it...
But they want to get in our faces, follow us to where we kick off our shoes, on an open blog yeah, the door is unlocked, there isn't an invite needed...
And yeah there is an 'us' and 'them' now, because two people commenting have effectively overshadowed the comment threads in a campaign..
And so now we don't comment and is this what they wanted?
William and Morten, yes, we get it, you've rammed it down our throats, and I would have thought it is time for Mr Manky to go private. You will probably have to make up an online persona to get access to read and to make sure you are not just ramming it when you do comment, because that would be the only way you will get to hear what we say.
It's not what you say, it really is the way you keep ramming it senselessly, jeering and picking.
Like I said:
fjols.
And uh, by the way, we DO have private blogs, and we have face to face meetings too, and you are so way out of your league without a single clue as to what is said when we know we won't be bullied into silence.
STFU. You really should. If your need is to hear what we say, then you need to STFU and keep to your 'own' forums when you need to rip the shit out of the way we 'operate'. I've got nothing against you mouthing off, but surely,you are just being nasty shits.
Honestly, I've no interest in hearing anything you got to say, you seem to think we have some sort of disagreement, but you know, one meets plenty of people who are in disagreement, and they are not all being nasty shits.
My take on it is that you are lonely, you got no real love, not that crunchy crisp love, in your life and you are basically not getting about to get any love anytime soon.
The paper-work has been processed and the cop has been fired.
http://www.berlingske.dk/danmark/fucking-perkere-koster-betjent-jobbet
I think it is far too soon to conclude, that we will never see eye to eye. I am just not judgmental enough to take that position at this particular moment.
Wouldn't you agree, that it is way too early to make that call? Humans are a lot more fluid, than they usually get credit for.
That Cop woman wants to appeal, and watch out people she says she´s angyr, brrr... remember last time when she got angry... wait, yeah, she vented off on her blog! Ooops! LOL! Serves her right! Cee ya!!
Perhaps she was sacked now because of the Cop15, the case was too damaging, still is. lol...
See how scared I was, she got ANGRY!! lol... sorry about me typpppo... lol
I stopped reading xkcd since the one about not remembering how to use a doorbell. Randall is an idiot and I don't care what he has to say about anything. Now, if you can find me a Qwantz with the same message, we might be in business.
I used to have a few danes in my organization. They just wouldn't fit in my organization with those extreme views on immigrants and refugees. Eventually those danes left as they realized themselves they were so different to otherwise my completely international organization with so many different nationalities employed. I wouldn't want to deal with any xenophob in my organization. They just don't get it.
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