Berlingske reports :
The Danish Prime Minister may speak of lofty ambitions to make Denmark a desirable work destination for the highly educated, but his own immigration minister is now undermining him. Birthe Rønn Hornbech (Liberals) and Dansk Folkeparti now want to suspend the so-called Green Card system which allows foreign specialists to work in Denmark. The official reason is that the Immigration Ministry is unable to handle on time the many requests it gets, and applications may take up to six times longer than normal to be processed.The Radical Left and Social Democrats are opposed to the proposed suspension, which they say works against Denmark's need for qualified workers.According to DF however, there is systemic cheating with Green Cards, as half of the people who receive one never actually come to Denmark. They also feel that there are so many applications already that it should either be suspended, or only the first 1000 processed [ed:no, this is not a typo, they really reason that way].Danish industry is also opposed to the suspension, pointing out that foreign works in turn create jobs for other Danes.
Wow, half don't even show up? I almost feel bad for Denmark. It's like an unpopular kid that throws a party and no one shows up. Granted, the unpopularity is due to it being prone to sudden, violent outbursts, but still, shame.
Still, I guess that means I just won. No need to warn people about coming to Denmark if the government makes it all moot anyway. Dansk Folkeparti have never been happy about the Green Card system - hear that Green Card people? These are the people who are waiting for you. You're going to be neighbors with them. Gitte from Human Resources at the company that hired you, Gitte votes for these nimrods, and she's going to dream up all sorts of schemes to make your life hell. I speak from personal experience. Gitte demanded that I hand over my original university degrees for her safekeeping, yes, as in, that really happened to me.
Look just, don't come here, alright? I hear Poland needs people - go there.
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How on Earth she can expect from people to take her seriously with that bad make up on??
Just look at her eye-lashes in Berlingske!!!
Somebody please call GOK WAN!!!! NOW!!! :)))
I am not exactly a fashion guru now, but I would never go out in public like that!
Never mind talking about serious politics!
ANYWAY, NOT TO GO OFF THE SUBJECT, YES, POLAND IS VERY HAPPY FOR NEW BUSINESSES COMING TO THEIR COUNTRY AND YES, POLAND IS NOT UNFRIENDLY PLACE!
GOK WAN, PLEASE!!!! :)))
LOL, re: original uni degrees for safekeeping, I once had one request my passports in same way! What.The.F,
My phone has been ringing with this news, so I didn't hear it here first, but yes: YOU WIN!!
What kind of an idiot would WANT to come to Denmark?
At this stage, I mean.
I love Gok.
So how about Poland then? Where do we all go from here?
I think the problem is that many of us came here under different circumstances...the 'world' was a different place. It was like "Denmark? Yeah, why not? I can eat herring for a bit!" It seemed like a good idea at the time.
But how easy to leave? I know people are taking any chance to get out.
HURRAH the danedanes have won!
We are powerless!
We really don't want to be here.
For real though, Denmark is a tiny tiny little country and nobody on the outside gives a hoot what happens here.
Denmark is a weekend break for Yurpeens who want to go to the magical land of HansChristian Andersen. It's not a real place.
It's a joke.
Abandon ship! Women and children first!
The Unwelcome sign has been out for a while and I guess people are starting to notice. If only 50% actually show up I wonder how many leave after 3 months or whatever time frame they've given themselves to find a place to live, a job in their field, etc.
Those of us who came here on our own without corporate recruitment & assistance know how hard it can be to get these basic things in place.
EVERYONE loves Gok!! :)) Birthe should love him too, he could do some magic fashion fix for her too, nothing is impossible!!!
http://www.simplygokwan.com/
The easiest way to escape H.C. Andersen´s "Fairytale" is ferry from Little Mermaid location to Gdansk and then take a buss 55 to Warsaw!
Agree Babs, many got there under different circumstances, however, there´s still some hope for those wanting to leave....
@BABS
Are you for real? Or are you an ironic construct intended to play a joke on this site?
I´m serious, just cant figure you out. Your absurd statements are real fun.
Dear Impartial spectator,
Your comments belie your title- it doesnt sound impartial, it sounds like a judgement.
Babs is no figment of the imagination- she has been surviving the system for years.
Hmmm how impartial really is this "impartial spectator"?
I agree with what "Talented Foreigner" said it is a judgement of Babs.
Thankyou Talented Foreigner for jumping to my defense.
But I am afraid that Mrs Impartial Speccy is right. How clever of her! I AM an ironic construct. But, I hasten to add, I was not intended to play joke on this site.
x
I'm with Babs. The asshat however doesn't really deserve a direct response.
Aaaaahh.. BABS I knew it. Your comments are just to weird for you to be serious. Brilliant. So I guess, you don’t speak your mind openly, because you already know, there is no room for real debate on this site?
For the rest of you, I have good news:
You don’t have to live miserable, oppressed lives in fascist, racist Denmark. Emancipate yourselves. Your chains are only in your heads, not around your wrists. Stand up and enjoy your freedoms. As “Anonymous” said, there is a ferry from Copenhagen to Gdansk. From there you take bus 55 to Warsaw or any other destination of your own choice.
I´ll not hijack this thread any further. So I will leave you danofobes alone. Go right back to your mutual masturbation (and don’t miss that ferry).
aww. I quite liked Impartial Spectator.
I am really sorry to see her go.
And we'd only just begun to get to know each other.
Cherish the memories - you will always have those.
Mutual masturbation ... Rubbish! There is no such thing.
It's called sexual intercourse other than penile penetration of the vagina. Tsk, tsk, tsk.
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EEK, but before you go back to finishing your thesis, Specca, I just have to answer:
You said: "So I guess, you don’t speak your mind openly, because you already know, there is no room for real debate on this site?"
Um. I am speaking my mind openly. And I don't mind that you say I am an ironic construct. I have an openly speaking mind. It's due to my education.
You said: "I´ll not hijack this thread any further."
Sweetheart, *pats Impartial Spectators furry hand*, you aint hijacked nuthin. You haven't been dry humping these comment threads.
Making your way in the world today takes everything you got, Impartial Spectator.
Sometimes you want to go where everybody knows your name. And they're always glad you came. You want to be where you can see: our troubles are all the same. You want to be where everybody knows your name. So, try over at eksistens.wordpress.com. Those 'dialog' luvvies are having a ball over there! And there is a seat with your name on it.
You said: "So I will leave you danofobes alone."
Danophobes? You are hurting my feelings now. Technically, a lot of us do have or could have Danish passports. I am still trying to find out what y'all mean by 'being Danish'. It's a bit of a nonstarter.
You said: "Go right back to your mutual masturbation" See, if you knew what mutual masturbation was, you wouldn't be accusing us of it. Did YOU eat an extra bowl of stupid this morning?
You said: "(and don’t miss that ferry)."
If you weren't Danish what would you be? Seriously, if you could.. let's imagine..that if anything was possible, and you could be any nationality you want, and no-one would have to know about this, just you and I, which nationality would you be?
IP writes like a native English speaker. I think he or she's one of those Good Immigrants, now available in 2 flavors-- Classic Sycophantic, and New! Extra Islamphobic!
Sadly, I don't think supplies are limited. :-(
TROLL WARNING !!!
"""Emancipate yourselves""" - this smells like a troll aka Morten. S(H)e used the same phrase in commentary before, referring to Amila.
I struggle to see what´s so funny here:
http://www.bt.dk/bttv/clip/44/6692
One thing that makes it difficult to get through with any kind of criticism of the way things are going in this country is most Danes' unshakeable inner conviction that Denmark is the best country in the world.
I have it myself: When Eric turned up the other day and bemoaned Manky's generalisations and started saying not everybody votes DPP and there's good things here too, I could almost sympathise. I could feel the kneejerk impulse to enumerate all the points at which we excel in this country.
I'm not exactly sure where it comes from - some of it is simply small-place provincialism, some sort of snug cosiness ("hygge") in the familiarity of homely things.
But this innate superiority is very hard to get past. Danes may be self-effacing and ironic their size, but at our hearts we nurture the idea that in spite of our smallness and humorous shortcomings we really are the best country in the world.
Except, of course, we really are not.
One story will perhaps explain what I mean: Once in the mid-80s, I lived in Århus near the harbour. One night as I was walking by the water, I met a couple from Copenhagen who were having a fire. I joined them and they asked why didn't I go get some beer, so we stayed the rest of the evening and into the night drinking beer, smoking, playing their guitar and watching the sun go down.
Suddenly the guy from Copenhagen looks at me, looks at his girlfriend and summarizes the "hygge" of the occasion: "Det her kan man kun i Danmark!" (You can only do this in Denmark.)
I didn't contradict him, in spite of many similar experiences in France and Spain. It was nonsense, of course, but I didn't contradict him because as a Dane myself I knew that what he said was not what he actually meant. What he was trying to convey was a unique feeling of well-being, of being uniquely snug and safe and having a nice time just in that very moment, and nothing will ever be entirely like it again.
I suppose when people in other cultures try to express this uniqueness, it can come out in any number of ways. In Denmark, it comes out with an appeal to the uniqueness of Denmark.
So many Danes really believe that yes, they might have higher quality health care or better social systems but at the end of the day, these countries are not "real" places; their doctors are not real doctors, their schools are not real schools, or at least they have their drawbacks too, and nowhere is really like home.
Which is a shame, because Denmark is a very mediocre country in a number of ways. Yes, we have famous people who did great things (like, Niels Bohr and Søren Kierkegaard - and, Niels Bohr and Søren Kierkegaard - come to think of it, that's about it). So people are really delusional, and the more well-educated, the better they know it.
So, when you start demonstrating that this country is going to hell in a handbasket quicker than the blink of an eyelid, you'll encounter a wide variety of "yes, but"s meant to bolster people's self-image as being the best place in all the world.
As Denmark really *isn't* very special, this easily becomes petty and aggressive: If there's something we don't have, it's obviously not worth having, since Denmark is the best place in the world (QED).
Except for two things. There really are some good things in Denmark. Or at least there were, because they are going. The other thing is that many people who were clinging to the aforementioned good things (check out this video with Natasja to see which things I mean) are having a rude awakening. Like some (not all) of the people you'll end up discussing with, e.g. Eric the other day: Some people protest because they are in denial.
Swedish writer Lene Sundströms book about the "happiest people on earth" is now available in Danish, you can read parts of it online.
"Hvordan kan det land, som har været forbundet med tolerance og frisind, forvandle sig til en nation, som er gledet fra gæstfrihed til fremmedfrygt, fra tillid til mistillid? Kan det samme ske for svenskerne?"
It will "ske for svenskerne" - and we all know. Denmark was and is the political light house of Scandinavia.
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"It will "ske for svenskerne" - and we all know. Denmark was and is the political light house of Scandinavia."
I snorted my coffee. Yes, totally. That's why almost every major Scandinavian development in the last 50 years has been .. uhm .... Swedish. If you consider porn and pork major political achievements, and I know there are many who do, maybe you're on to something though.
Yes - porn. At least that is an example.
We shall see - we shall simply see it goes with immigration policies and real freedom of speech the way it went with porn.
They'll follow ;) You suspect it, too, don't you (I know you might say you fear it, but ... right)?
You don't like it, but that's another story.
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@ agger
Ok, you I actually want to buy a beer. Seriously and for real. Your post got through to me.
Yes, I admit it, I sound really harsh and overgeneralize. It's not obviously constructive, but as I said in the disclaimer on this blog, I'm not really setting out to create a debate directly. I would like a debate, I've tried more than enough times to start one, but I've been shut up and pushed out each time, and right now I feel I'm on the very fringe of reason and common sense. The surprising thing is, I always thought I was alone here, but it turns out there are quite a few other people here with me, squashed up against the edge.
Sometimes people try to solve a problem through discussion, but I don't think that will work anymore, because there's just too much momentum in the opposite direction, and as you can see from even debate between Danes, it's really easy for the negative people to spin their opponents up in semantics and ifs and maybes. In a situation where xenophobia is the core problem being discussed, how would a foreigner fare? One of the worst things here is the unspoken rule that if you can't formulate your argument in Danish, no one will pay attention to you. There is no feedback in this system - an entire slice of society, an important one at that, has all of its opinions piped straight into the sewer.
This blog is more like a riot. I'm pissed off, and I feel now is the time to run around smashing stuff. I found some bricks : Danish news. What am I smashing : Denmark's picture-perfect, carefully-maintained facade. This blog is a deliberate attempt on my part to bring attention to a problem in the only way I feel is left : breaking something. I noticed that Danes greatly values their image abroad, and that is now being used to lure more expats in, and this is the ONLY chink in the armour I can find. This is the only thing I can break, without being deported, which will get your attention. All other avenues have been closed off by society.
Denmark is like a popular man who thrashes his kids. He only hits them when he can hide it, and he makes sure he always has a way to hide things should someone find a bruise or hear a cry. The way foreigners are treated in Denmark is nothing short of shameful, but what's even more shameful is how the society shoves us to the back and hides us, while it parades about in the eyes of the world.
Trust me Agger, I've tried talking until I was blue in the face - I was ignored. That special condescending ignore that Denmark has for foreigners, where there's listening and nodding, and then a firm, gentle and final dismal because we couldn't possibly understand Denmark. Only someone born and raised here can understand Denmark. Remember what happened when PISA came in to test Danish school kids, and found the standard in Denmark to be lower than expected? There was only indignation. Danes themselves take criticism well, but as a nation they deeply resent it, and instead of taking it to heart, simply retreat and nurse their national pride with the excuse that no one outside could possible understand Denmark, and Denmark will show them all ... one day.
If you feel offended by what I say, you sir are an innocent bystander. But I need to do this - I need to scream and make a scene and get people to notice - not Danes, but outsiders. I really do hope this blog helps to dissuade a few people from coming here. Then I really hope the government here notices, and for once realizes that they cannot hope to keep a lid on this dirty secret.
I've had some really great times here. I've met some great people - it was my love for a Danish woman that brought me here in the first place.
All of the subtle and nuanced discussion don't really change the final effect I experience at the end of the day : laws get passed which unfairly target me, and I encounter so much open negativity, that it's no longer possible for me enjoy that "hyggestemning" that one finds only here. Truth is, as great as hygge might be, right now I'd settle for much less if someone would just take all the ignorance and hate out of my face.
Crap, that was a long post.
Agger: ahh, Århus in the 80's. It was quaint and innocent then. Now it is quaint and innocent and snarly.
V.funny about the happy little sigh and the 'this you can only do in Denmark'. I never intervene when the eyes are rolling into the back of the head in a 'this is Denmark the place where we are really living' reverie. I find it touching that people can be so happy in themselves with such gay disconnection to what is going on for everybody else.
"Denmark was and is the political light house of Scandinavia."?????
who is this funny man claiming this?????
sure love, that´s why after norwegian elections everyone is saying this is a sign-chaning event for denmark, and it was indeedy, recent elections, in denmark, went from hmm let´s see blue color into hmm let´s think, RED, YES RED, SF AND SOCIALDEMOCRATS! sure love!
you´re a joke buddy, you´re clearly not travelled or informed about life outside of denmark!!!!
Anonymous:
Check out the agendas of most of these red parties. The paradigm has changed for good.
Norway will follow soon. The majority of the people voted for another government, but due to very uncommon election-rules, the government was able to continue.
Did you not know ?
Anyway - something was postponed in the established system, that's all. The process will continue in the meantime.
Maybe Sweden will surpass Norway now ?
Follow the light, Scandinavians!
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"Norway will follow soon"??? As I said before you´re clearly not welltravelled nor well-informed!!!
Norway just had its elections, so did your country, and as far as I can read all independent, neutral and foreign media, all of them saying now it is danish elections soon and there might be change as well!!! what cave... hmm... anyway, sure love, yes darling, it is as you say, just believe that, whatever makes you happy!
and as for that "agenda", hmm, sure your favorit party has some Agenda! Joker.
@Mr. Manky: One of the worst things here is the unspoken rule that if you can't formulate your argument in Danish, no one will pay attention to you.
Actually, it's not entirely enough to be able to speak and write Danish fairly well. I am, but I still regularly get "Shut up, refugee" (or words to that effect). Apparently, my job is to be grateful as long as I'm here. Speaking up for human rights isn't being grateful. Pointing out the effects of the system (as opposed to just admiring it) isn't being grateful either.
@Manky,
well, I think you're doing the right thing.
As for the dialogue and debate thing: I don't se any point at all in "debating" with Danish People's Party or xenophobes or people obsessed with islam - this "dialogue" thing which some people are big on and Babs keeps complaining about is simply pointless, as I see it.
The ideas which are infesting Denmark and undermining everything we thought we stood for need to be fought, not "debated". Rune Engelbreth once formulated it quite well in his declaration of war, no less on Dansk Folkeparti.
One point here is that if we start "debating", very quickly we'll start debating their agenda. If we start "debating" whether people should be sent back to Iraq, we'll end up siding with the "good cop" compassionate Venstre-people who "protest" against the deportation of families. The point is, what needs to be done is to put forward an entirely new agenda. And have people, especially the other side, debate that. "Luk Lejren", e.g., was an attempt to do this, with some limited success.
If the "progressives" could learn one thing of Pia and her ilk it's that: Never budge, and never follow the agenda, always push your own. It's the only way to make things actually change.
But then I don't tend to mince words myself. About a year ago I wrote an opinion piece for Information beginning with the words: "Er Danmark i virkeligheden et provinsielt lorteland, et uvidende, tilbagestående bondesamfund, befolket af bønder, der er kommet til penge og blevet kræmmere ...?"
Obviously, such strong words can be more difficult to accept from an outsider. But that doesn't make them less true.
And so, I actually think you're doing the right thing (even if we may disagree in some particulars).
Embarassment is a strong force, and many people really are very embarassed by what's happening to their country. Some are in denial and fight back more or less aggressively, others still sit on their hands, some very few (members of Enhedslisten, Kirkeasyl, Rune Engelbreth) are actually trying to do something. And if you, Mr. Manky, could get the word out through venting your desparation on this blog, and get the word out to such an extent that it would cause major embarassment to people here, it would be a big help. Maybe it would get some people off their hands. Or maybe the odds are all too overwhelming, and we'll all end up in Sweden or Germany to avoid going to prison here in DK in ten years' time.
@Amila:
Well, the right extremists really hate people who speak against them. Like, really - just see the amount of hatred vented against someone like Rune Engelbreth (or myself, even) in blog comments round about. I even used to receive threats in the mail, been some time since now. I think the best thing to do is just ignore their hateful comments and take the amount of venom as a healthy indicator that you're doing the right thing. :-)
(But I know it can be hard, sometimes)
@Agger: I know hehe.. actually, I just got an idea for a blog post about this, I've jotted down some notes and will have the post up in the near future :)
I have really enjoyed following this thread of discussion. Kudos to Agger and Mr Manky.
"If the "progressives" could learn one thing of Pia and her ilk it's that: Never budge, and never follow the agenda, always push your own. It's the only way to make things actually change."
Exactly, agger!
See, this is absolutely what happened in my country after 9/11--suddenly the Left felt stifled by threats of appearing unpatriotic. Righteous questioning of an illegal war in Iraq had to be couched always by noises supporting our trooops. The right set the agenda. By following the agenda, voices on the left were marginalized and rendered uneffective, or worse, ridiculed as cowardly.
The same thing is happening here as the left tries to form working coalitions with racists. Rune is right, the time has come for open warfare from the parties on the left. (Metaphorically speaking of course--I'm not advocating nuclear attacks or WWIII as the more conservative racist Danish commenters elsewhere!)
Same with my country. A bunch of people did not vote so Right Wing extremists got in and now the centrist parties (of which we have three) are pushed right-wards by their agenda.
It does not help that the real left wing in my country are... difficult to talk to.
It is very interesting to see here how there are two camps, one of those being people talking about frustrations and bad experiences with increased and evident danish racism and general xenophobia. While on the other hand you have a little bunch of bullies who are not just representing the other side of the danish society but also denying all bad in denmark, whether you´re a dane or not. So, it´s not a question of just different opinions here, but it is also a question of how one of the two sides are in blank denial and being totally control freak.
True, there are problems, everywhere, in every country, no doubt about that, both in the UK, US, Denmark, Sweden, France, Germany, you name it. But if we have come to the point where constantly comparing Denmark with Sweden for all the negative but not a word positive, then I´m really not sure about how "democratic" the right wing is??!!! Amila is right, no matter how long you lived in Denmark, and regardles if you are born and bread in Denmark or if you have just got there a few years ago, you´re all the time being referred to as foreign, refugee, and being called various names. The good news is if you happened to have american or english or australian or other scandinavian link or background you have nothing to worry about, but other than that the message is quite transparent LEAVE NOW!
Even people like Agger and other regular thinking Danes are being told off by the same people who are treating foreigners like a dirt.
The best DEBATE AND ARGUMENT one can get from a dane who is a bit on the right is OH WHY DON´T YOU JUST LEAVE THEN IF YOU GOT SOMEWHERE ELSE BETTER TO GO?? THAT´S the same like a bad marriage where a bully husband is blackmailing his wife and keep telling her the same. SAME OLD TRICK. But, no space for any discussion, dialogue, improvment and in general to make things better.
You can have thousands of people like Fuzzy, Manky, Babs, Season, Amila and Agger, but when you have someone quite opposite than them, well, there isn´t any easy solution.
Thank you for your time reading this and God bless!
Welcome, myownthoughts, and thank you for adding your own wise words to the debate.
Looking at all the typos in my long rant - speed typing in a huff and hurry definitely has its drawbacks.
@agger
I'm really happy you see what I and others are up to - we're on the same side. Couldn't help notice that you've been singled out as a traitor by some of your countrymen. I find that deeply disturbing, how Pia K popularized the idea that a few people have the right to unilaterally decide that. It's the same thing they've done with Dannebrog - claim it as theirs, and decide what it means.
@amila
Yes, I've seen some of the stuff written about you. Funny how "steadfast" becomes "narrowminded and intolerant" when you don't cave in to them. Just like agger's willingness to be nuanced is interpreted as "treachery".
All of this is another reason why I don't see the point in a direct debate now. They don't want to debate, they just want time to stall while they go ahead with their stupidity anyway. I'm not up for discussing how racism and xenophobia might be viable solutions to Denmark's problems - we need better answers.
Yes, we need a war on DF. (Watch them blow _that_ out of proportion). They need to be fought, discredited and dismantled. Send out the message that their core views are plain wrong, and that we refuse to discuss ideas which are fundamentally flawed. But then we need to start coming with our own alternatives, and standing up for what we (foreigners AND open-minded Danes) want. I believe that allowing other languages to flourish for example will cause more foreigners to willingly learn Danish. I also think that foreigners need to be more open about their presence, and demand respect, and show that our difference does not exclude Danes.
We need that much-feared "parallel society" - just because Pia K doesn't control it, doesn't mean it's going to bite her. And eventually the divisions will erode and break down on their own as people from either side find each other.
We need to organize our own events, not these hopeless socialize-for-the-sake-of-integration efforts, but as fixtures. Start doing the things that Danes admire - be creative like make music or paint, and then proudly display this as an outsider. I think the stereotype of foreigners right now is that we're either completely uneducated refugees, or soulless consultants here for the money.
We need to speak up more and openly criticize Denmark in front of Danes, because the inevitable result of that is that we will also start talking about the things we love about the place. You cannot have one without the other. We also need to build a common worker culture, and be proud of our hard work - an honest day's pay for an honest day's labor. It's strange that today, a Danish guy who takes out the trash can hold his head high, but a hardworking foreign technician gets told she's expendable.
Blogging is actually a great way to start this. Everyone. Blog about the good and the bad. If you don't know what to write start a blog that just tracks what other people write (I'd do it but I barely have time for this one).
As for continuing to make a scene, I have several hundred newspaper articles spanning about 6 years. If only VKO would take a break so I didn't have to keep reporting on current events :)
Bah - another long rant. How do I do it??
Denmark and Sweden again!!! Will it ever stop comparing Sweden with Denmark and wishing that everywhere else in the World should be like in Denmark???? UGH!!!!! DR: EVERY FOURTH SWEDE WANTS A BAN ON MINARETS, JUST LIKE the SWISS DID IT, AND PIA IS STIRRING UP THE SAME ISSUE!! here you go, some food, trollllllls! hahaha!
I guess like in most countries there are good and bad stuff.
The point is to make the most out of every situation.
Pia is akin to Australia's Pauline Hanson and her One Nation party some time back. Sooner or later people will see the witch hunt she is leading and she and her party will just fade back into obscurity.
Yes, nyindenmark, that's the spirit.
Let's just ignore it because it goes on everywhere, make no attempt to change things and just concentrate on the GOOD things, like... the houses are very colourful, aren't they? AND they have such delicious beer! And the WINDMILLS, have you seen them?
And before we know it, all the racism and xenophobia will be gone. HURRAH!
hey you newindenmark, we´re not talking about the difference between chips and potatoes, we are talking about real people in denmark and wider who actually are affected with those silly hostile and xenophobic policies.
You also said "sooner or later". That "later" may have just cost danish society generations of well educated and talented people leaving denmark for not being able to lead a normal life in denmark.
There´s no hope for all those concerned, so "later" isn´t much a good news to them.
I am curious what media reports do you feed on?
newindenmark
A lot of less privileged immigrants have benefitted from laws like "the 24-years rule".
The price some people have to pay - and which seems to be all, you anglophone imperialists ;) really complain about - is that you have to learn Danish, so that you can't "lead a normal life".
Spoiled teen-agers ... tsk, tsk, tsk.
Find out who they call "trolls" in here. Those with the dirty language* ?
Not really. Those who are not in consensus with the blog's description of the world, actually.
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* These are examples of response I got from contributors to this blog (you know, those who speak of trolls):
"Give it up, Morten, your pissy little country is at the bottom of the barrel. Now fuck off back to your disgusting bread, excessive drinking and nationalistic little blog with the purty pictures."
"Or better yet, Morten: go fuck off and eat some of your disgusting roofing tile bread.
How ’bout that"
"No, Morten, I wrote that, motherfucker. Not Nov.
Now go and fuck your hand!"
"Fuzzy, you rock!!! lol!!!!
No, Morten, I didn´t write a second part, and I will gladly omit to comment whatever you threw back at me. It is absurd and pointless, you remind me of soooommmmeeeeeonnnneee...hmmm... who that could beeeee??? Ah... PIA! lol...
Now go and violate your hand with a wank job!!!"
And they still backed each other up. What an example for the primitive Danes, huh?
Rock'n*lol* is here to stay
like I use to say :)
I honestly hope you don't feel at home here. Come and see us at our blogs (follow the link). We debate, you see ... (and please: carefully watch the reponse to this comment ... it might be interesting) :)
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@nyidanmark
Welcome to the blog. You caught as a bad time it seems :)
By all means, check out the blogs Morten's directing you to - everyone figures things out for themselves. As for the quotes Morten's given you, we're not always like that, and Morten and his ilk do know how to play their part in the exchange.
Yes, Denmark like any country has problems, but I think you'll find that on further analysis Denmark's problems are not diffuse and spontaneous and the work of a few bad individuals, but that the political system as a whole is anti-foreigner, and is working very hard to make xenophobia seem morally acceptable.
Enjoy your stay here, and if you start feeling funny about the place (it can take a while), look us up.
Morten.
If you don't like it here, then why don't you leave?
Plus:
Perhaps if you learned the language here you would fare better?
Bravo Babs! Yes, Morten, she´s right! I really strugle to understand your english and what exactly do you mean! Many times I had to re-read your stuff a few times to get the real meaning of your sentences which you try to decorate like a Christmas tree with all those nice little smart words, but overall impression is BLAH! Like you said it, and which I understood perfectly well: "I honestly hope you don't feel at home here." Well, foreigners certainly wouldn´t feel at home here when even born and bread Danes doesn´t feel the same way either. Oh yeah, they flee to Sweden, because it is much better there! Troll! This subject should be called: SWEDEN TO SUSPEND GREEN CARD SYSTEM FOR ALL DANES! :)
Anonymous - I meant felt at home in the debate climate on the blog. My mistake.
What you find here is a consensus that I experience for the first time in my life, and which I don't sympathise with, but find highly interesting.
You people really do stand up for your neighbor, unlike Danes. We stand up for what we conceive as justice.
In consequence, when somebody is perfid towards people who try to debate the statements on this blog, they are not called "trolls", and nobody comes to our defense. 'Cause we are not a "neighbors" !
Such an attitude earns you no right to criticise anybody, anywhere, ever.
In Danish blogs that is a hundred percent reverse. And yes, I think that is a higher level of communication.
Babs is sarcastic, and can be while her fellow cheerleaders are rocking and *lolling*, because she is leaning on this consensus. But sarcasm is not a developped way of communicating. It is contained in even the most primitive forms of communication.
No, Babs, I don´t like your communication, but I may like to study it as the phenomenon it is.
Many of you in here told me that people tell you all the time that: you don't understand.
Well, if people keep telling you that all the time, maybe you should start listening ?
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Oh, and Babs, thank you for the ironical comment:
"Perhaps if you learned the language here you would fare better?"
Almost my point, but that would be totally outrageous for the native to suggest that the colonists should perhaps learn his little language.
Better Dead
Than White and Red
Right ? And if we should happen to disappear as the small ("majority" my left foot) people we really are, then we can expect an abundancy of your famous, anglosaxon sentimentality for "The Last Mohican" :)
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Morten:
In Danish blogs that is [...] a higher level of communication.
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And if we should happen to disappear as the small ("majority" my left foot) people we really are,...
Yawn. How very typically petit-bourgeois Danish behaviour: Self-righteous and feeling sorry for himself. And why? Because they make him sound stupid. This is textbook material.
Oui, petit-bourgeois danoise, e´cest vrai! :-)
It is much better in Dubai, I know :)
And I know why.
Wait a second ... hm ...
Everything is better in Dubai
And Nemo and I know why
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Morten, we can speak Danish.
Morten said: "You people really do stand up for your neighbor, unlike Danes. We stand up for what we conceive as justice."
Don't speak for the Danes Morten, you don't speak for Danes at all.
You are speaking for your own lonely self.
Justice?
And the use of the word 'sarcastic' to describe what I write is old.
And shows the level of understanding you are on.
I don't lean on consensus, how would that serve my purpose?
Think I am in this to milk it?
LOL.
Yes, LOL, Morten, LOLLOLOLOLOL.
Crikey.
I've just arrived and already seasonticket and anonymous have started the attack on me.
Chill out. There are better ways to discuss or comment without the unnecessary aggression or the SHOUTING AND THE ROWS OF QUESTION MARKS/EXCLAMATION MARKS!!!!!!!!!!
Are the people here (apart from Manky and Babs and Morten) always so self-righteous and impolite????????? (Dang, I caught Anonymous's exclamation mark disease)
nyidenmark - Yes, crikey indeed! Like it´s that much better in Australia? lol. I give you 12 months and see if your opinion has changed. But then again, maybe you don´t even care about Human Rights and about foreigners in general, so perhaps not so competent person to be part of this debate, whatever the case is, you´re still a novice! D´ya get me? ;-)
@ Anonymous
Gee mate. Get some balls and use a proper monicker and stop putting words or thoughts in my mouth or assume anything about me. Or did you mother barbie 'em diseased nuts and fed 'em to the 'gators?
And I've been in Denmark for 2 years. Not enjoying everything but behaving decently and politely (at times) and making the most of it.
Evil only begets evil, you ball-less creep.
Don't mistake my frustration with the same silencing techniques with a personal attack. Sorry if your feelings were hurt.
Oh, poor little nyidenmark, I´m terribly sorry if the truth hurts, it wasn´t intentional, now, whether I am Anita, Samantha or Yasmin (yes! a girl, so no balls involved!) doesn´t really matter about my monicker, the truth is there to be told regardless of someone´s name, nationality, gender and whatever else is your vision who can say what and when and to your liking. Gee mate, you´re such a hard work sometimes! Hmpf, on the other hand, what do you now, I wouldn´t call you a creep, but something a bit more eqivalent to your statement, but I must respect Mr Manky´s rules, I love my comments to be seen and not erased. Booh!
"Danish to suspend green card system?" ?? Who the hell needs it anyway?? Denmark is the last place on Earth where I would want to set my foot on. Eeeuuuwww!!!
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